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		<title>Comment on Two more books: Odin on the one hand, Sermons on the other by vacaticule gentle</title>
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		<dc:creator>vacaticule gentle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tnk it is 9ice nd important to al norse men acros D world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tnk it is 9ice nd important to al norse men acros D world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Eddas of 2011 by William P. Reaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>William P. Reaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have purchased both books. Unfortunately, the most recent Dronke book, while offering a new translation of several Eddic poems, was disappointing. The commentary was not as complete or as in-depth as her previous offerings. It just was not worth the $180 pricetag. I still use and enjoy her second volume in this series, however. It&#039;s well-worth the price. 

The Andy Orchard translation of the Elder Edda is marvelous. It&#039;s very well done, and conservative in its treatment of the difficult passages. I highly recommend this book.

I throughly enjoyed the book Myths of the Pagan North by Chris Abrahm. It was the first study of skaldic verse I&#039;ve seen by century. The thesis of a post-conversion renaissance was very convincing based onm the evidence. 

I&#039;d also like to recommend the book Hrafnagaldur Odins by Annette Lassen, published by the Viking Society for Northern Research in March 2011. It&#039;s the only thorough study of the poem and its manuscripts. It&#039;s small and reasonably priced. Also highly recommended!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have purchased both books. Unfortunately, the most recent Dronke book, while offering a new translation of several Eddic poems, was disappointing. The commentary was not as complete or as in-depth as her previous offerings. It just was not worth the $180 pricetag. I still use and enjoy her second volume in this series, however. It&#8217;s well-worth the price. </p>
<p>The Andy Orchard translation of the Elder Edda is marvelous. It&#8217;s very well done, and conservative in its treatment of the difficult passages. I highly recommend this book.</p>
<p>I throughly enjoyed the book Myths of the Pagan North by Chris Abrahm. It was the first study of skaldic verse I&#8217;ve seen by century. The thesis of a post-conversion renaissance was very convincing based onm the evidence. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to recommend the book Hrafnagaldur Odins by Annette Lassen, published by the Viking Society for Northern Research in March 2011. It&#8217;s the only thorough study of the poem and its manuscripts. It&#8217;s small and reasonably priced. Also highly recommended!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Eddas of 2011 by Quid plura? &#124; &#8220;I was dreaming like a Texan girl&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quid plura? &#124; &#8220;I was dreaming like a Texan girl&#8230;&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 22:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;I guess no translation will ever satisfy every reader; that’s why we should all translate the Edda for ourselves!&#8221; Old Norse News looks at two new published translations. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;I guess no translation will ever satisfy every reader; that’s why we should all translate the Edda for ourselves!&#8221; Old Norse News looks at two new published translations. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Old Norse position in Bergen by Ilya Sverdlov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilya Sverdlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for this, Chris! This seems to be quite a job-seeker&#039;s year, ads come in bundles. Maybe it&#039;s time å snakke norsk igjen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for this, Chris! This seems to be quite a job-seeker&#8217;s year, ads come in bundles. Maybe it&#8217;s time å snakke norsk igjen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Eddas of 2011 by Jackson Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...that’s why we should all translate the Edda for ourselves!&quot; Hear hear. I&#039;ll check these out and maybe post some Amazon reviews. In the meantime I&#039;ve assigned my Vikings class next quarter Larrington, which is so far the most accessible translation that I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;that’s why we should all translate the Edda for ourselves!&#8221; Hear hear. I&#8217;ll check these out and maybe post some Amazon reviews. In the meantime I&#8217;ve assigned my Vikings class next quarter Larrington, which is so far the most accessible translation that I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Myths of the Pagan North by Mariano González Campo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariano González Campo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on your book! An updated and attractive overview on an old topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on your book! An updated and attractive overview on an old topic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two more books: Odin on the one hand, Sermons on the other by Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hej,
i´m a student of history and scandinavian studies in Germany and i´m writing my bachelor-thesis about the Anglo-Saxon influence on the christianization of Scandinavia, and there i pay particular attention to the Old-Norse homiletic literature.
I would very much like to know your opinion on the article of Olav Tveito in Vaar eldste Bok. What do you think about the role Tveito assigns to Wulfstan and his (eschatological) writings? 

Greetings from Münster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hej,<br />
i´m a student of history and scandinavian studies in Germany and i´m writing my bachelor-thesis about the Anglo-Saxon influence on the christianization of Scandinavia, and there i pay particular attention to the Old-Norse homiletic literature.<br />
I would very much like to know your opinion on the article of Olav Tveito in Vaar eldste Bok. What do you think about the role Tveito assigns to Wulfstan and his (eschatological) writings? </p>
<p>Greetings from Münster</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey: Where&#8217;d you learn Old Norse that way? by Brandon Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the near emotional outburst there. Your site is a god-send. It has everything I needed for beginning, all that Gordon had not provided.
Dank sei Gott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the near emotional outburst there. Your site is a god-send. It has everything I needed for beginning, all that Gordon had not provided.<br />
Dank sei Gott.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey: Where&#8217;d you learn Old Norse that way? by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brandon, and welcome to the world of the conservative Germanic languages!

Your frustration is understandable, and a case could certainly be made for reform of traditional teaching methods, but I personally wouldn&#039;t throw out the baby with the bath-water by abandoning reliance on the thematic vowel and other elements that are no longer visible. If you don&#039;t know about front mutation and labial mutation, for one, both processes that were active in a prehistoric stage of the language and the causes for which have often disappeared, you won&#039;t be able to recognise why there are three realisations of the stem vowel in &lt;em&gt;völlr&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;em&gt;vallar&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;vellir&lt;/em&gt;), let alone predict what happens if you should decline the word. Moreover, if Wheelock (a fine textbook for learning purposes) hadn&#039;t done away with thematic vowels itself, you would have been able to recognise that the Germanic &lt;em&gt;a&lt;/em&gt;-stems are like class 2 Latin nouns, the &lt;em&gt;ō&lt;/em&gt;-stems like class 1, and the &lt;em&gt;i&lt;/em&gt;- and &lt;em&gt;u&lt;/em&gt;-stems like classes 3 and 4. But if you are looking for an approach to Old Norse that is more like Wheelock, you&#039;ll want to give Barnes a try (&lt;em&gt;A New Introduction to Old Norse, available online at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://vsnrweb-publications.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website of the Viking Society&lt;/a&gt;). Unfortunately, you&#039;ll find that this textbook leaves space for improvement in a different way, as it doesn&#039;t number or distinguish between declensions at all but instead says &quot;here are the most typical examples of masculine declension, and here are a few less typical ones.&quot;

Now that I&#039;m actually teaching Old Norse for the first time (if outside the regular channels), I&#039;ve come to some new insights regarding the value of the various textbooks for teaching. I still think Valfells and Cathey is a rare treasure in terms of the theory it contains, but its presentation makes me very hesitant indeed to make my students use it. Most of my students already have Old English, but they&#039;re English Department (read: literature) undergraduates who are probably not ready for Valfell&#039;s full-on linguistic approach, and the order of the elements in Valfells and Cathey is just not something I find I can apply in class. I don&#039;t really want to use Barnes because of its move away from traditional grammar, yet it does more explaining than any other textbook, and it uses great examples. In some areas it is unrivalled, e.g. in its presentation of the prepositions. Personally I prefer to work with Noreen or Iversen, but I currently teach in an environment where students just can&#039;t be expected to read Norwegian or German. At the end of the day what I end up doing is give my own presentation of the grammar in class, then send my students home to read the same subject matter in Gordon. I also keep written versions of my grammar lectures on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://on.langeslag.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;course website&lt;/a&gt; to help fill in the gaps in Gordon that I think are bothering Brandon. Have a look, but be advised that these are essentially first drafts, so I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a lot wrong with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brandon, and welcome to the world of the conservative Germanic languages!</p>
<p>Your frustration is understandable, and a case could certainly be made for reform of traditional teaching methods, but I personally wouldn&#8217;t throw out the baby with the bath-water by abandoning reliance on the thematic vowel and other elements that are no longer visible. If you don&#8217;t know about front mutation and labial mutation, for one, both processes that were active in a prehistoric stage of the language and the causes for which have often disappeared, you won&#8217;t be able to recognise why there are three realisations of the stem vowel in <em>völlr</em> (<em>vallar</em>, <em>vellir</em>), let alone predict what happens if you should decline the word. Moreover, if Wheelock (a fine textbook for learning purposes) hadn&#8217;t done away with thematic vowels itself, you would have been able to recognise that the Germanic <em>a</em>-stems are like class 2 Latin nouns, the <em>ō</em>-stems like class 1, and the <em>i</em>- and <em>u</em>-stems like classes 3 and 4. But if you are looking for an approach to Old Norse that is more like Wheelock, you&#8217;ll want to give Barnes a try (<em>A New Introduction to Old Norse, available online at the <a href="http://vsnrweb-publications.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">website of the Viking Society</a>). Unfortunately, you&#8217;ll find that this textbook leaves space for improvement in a different way, as it doesn&#8217;t number or distinguish between declensions at all but instead says &#8220;here are the most typical examples of masculine declension, and here are a few less typical ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m actually teaching Old Norse for the first time (if outside the regular channels), I&#8217;ve come to some new insights regarding the value of the various textbooks for teaching. I still think Valfells and Cathey is a rare treasure in terms of the theory it contains, but its presentation makes me very hesitant indeed to make my students use it. Most of my students already have Old English, but they&#8217;re English Department (read: literature) undergraduates who are probably not ready for Valfell&#8217;s full-on linguistic approach, and the order of the elements in Valfells and Cathey is just not something I find I can apply in class. I don&#8217;t really want to use Barnes because of its move away from traditional grammar, yet it does more explaining than any other textbook, and it uses great examples. In some areas it is unrivalled, e.g. in its presentation of the prepositions. Personally I prefer to work with Noreen or Iversen, but I currently teach in an environment where students just can&#8217;t be expected to read Norwegian or German. At the end of the day what I end up doing is give my own presentation of the grammar in class, then send my students home to read the same subject matter in Gordon. I also keep written versions of my grammar lectures on the <a href="http://on.langeslag.org" rel="nofollow">course website</a> to help fill in the gaps in Gordon that I think are bothering Brandon. Have a look, but be advised that these are essentially first drafts, so I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a lot wrong with them.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Myths of the Pagan North by Quid plura? &#124; &#8220;And of course you can&#8217;t become if you only say what you would have done&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quid plura? &#124; &#8220;And of course you can&#8217;t become if you only say what you would have done&#8230;&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 06:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Abram, who blogs at Old Norse News, has just published the very cool-looking Myths of the Pagan North. [...]</description>
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